In Memoriam: Dr. Frederick J. Young (1930–2021)

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In Memoriam: Dr. Frederick J. Young (1930–2021)

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One of our increasingly pedantic threads here got my thinking about Dr. Fred Young, and I realized I hadn't corresponded with him in quite a while. A Google search enquiry reported he apparently passed away in March 2021 at the age of 90!
I sincerely hope for Dr Young to speak up here with a "news of my demise is greatly exaggerated" statement.
Barring that, here is what the a.i. offered in lieu of any obituaries
A traditional newspaper obituary for Dr. Frederick J. Young was not widely circulated or digitally preserved at the time of his passing in March 2021. This is relatively common for retired academics who maintained a private family life in their later years.
To honor his memory, the following synthesized tribute outlines his remarkable dual legacy in both music and engineering:
In Memoriam: Dr. Frederick J. Young (1930 – 2021)
Dr. Frederick Jesse Young, a brilliant mind who seamlessly bridged the worlds of advanced acoustic science and symphonic music, passed away peacefully in March 2021 at the age of 90.
Born in 1930, Dr. Young spent much of his life in western Pennsylvania, where he became a fixture in the local music community and a distinguished educator. He was an early alumnus of the Pittsburgh Youth Orchestra (playing from 1949 to 1954), an experience that set the stage for a lifelong devotion to the tuba. He went on to serve as the second tubist for the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra for two decades (1954–1974), performing under some of the world's most legendary conductors.
Beyond his prowess on the stage, Dr. Young was an accomplished scholar. He served as a Professor of Electrical Engineering at Carnegie Mellon University (CMU), where he specialized in electromagnetic fields, fluid dynamics, and musical acoustics. He was highly regarded by his students as a dedicated thesis advisor and author, publishing textbooks like A Course in Computational Electrostatic Field Theory.
Dr. Young famously combined his engineering expertise with his musical passion to challenge standard brass instrument designs. Disappointed by traditional manufacturing limitations, he famously designed a massive, custom double tuba (in BBb and EEE) and published papers through the Acoustical Society of America on optimizing brass intonation. He is perhaps most widely remembered by brass players for inventing the "Dr. Young" tuba mouthpiece, an unconventional design featuring a straight, untapered cylindrical backbore and a deep funnel cup intended to mirror the rich, fundamental tone of a French horn.
He spent his retirement years in Bradford, Pennsylvania, where he continued to publish scientific papers, consult on acoustics, and actively engage with musicians in online forums like TubeNet well into his later life. He is remembered by colleagues, former students, and the global brass community as an innovative thinker, a passionate performer, and a kind mentor.
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Thanks for that, Dale.
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A well done tribute. I'd also not heard about this back in 2021, and having recently become familiar with his mouthpiece design, I was hoping to get in touch with him to get more insight on it, and I'm sad I won't get that chance.

I know his mouthpiece design didn't click with most players, but I had a great experience with them and I hope to honor his legacy by continuing to use his mouthpieces moving forward.

I always appreciate when a gifted academic and a passionate musician align, and they use their expertise to continue to push the boundaries of instrument design and to push back on some accepted conventional elements.

I hope we have more minds like his in the tuba space in the coming years and who knows what other innovations are still to come that his research helped pave the way for.

I myself an working with a local machinist and close friend of mine to design a mouthpiece that's largely based on the deep funnel/straight backbore principles of the Dr. Young, and I hope he'd approve of the results if/when we get it finished.

I truly appreciate the impact he has on the tuba world, and know he will be missed.
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I wondered what happened to him....
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I was privileged to meet him at a T.U.B.A. Conference in Tennessee in 1974, as well as seeing Tommy Johnson and Jim Self. We had a very nice conversation, and he let me play his floor-length King Symphonic tuba. It was surprisingly fun to play. He was such a fine gentleman and was always willing to share and teach. I have one of his "Dr. Young" mouthpieces as a treasure in my collection. He is missed.
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Jperry1466 wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2026 1:42 pm I was privileged to meet him at a T.U.B.A. Conference in Tennessee in 1974, as well as seeing Tommy Johnson and Jim Self. We had a very nice conversation, and he let me play his floor-length King Symphonic tuba. It was surprisingly fun to play. He was such a fine gentleman and was always willing to share and teach. I have one of his "Dr. Young" mouthpieces as a treasure in my collection. He is missed.
That's where I met him, but you and I didn't meet each other there.😐
I sat about ten feet in front of Tommy Johnson and the woodwind quintet when they played that Armand Russell piece. (If you remember, it wasn't even in an auditorium. It was in the same room where instruments were displayed.)
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bloke wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2026 4:40 pm That's where I met him, but you and I didn't meet each other there.😐
I said about ten feet in front of Tommy Johnson and the woodwind quintet when they played that Armand Russell piece. (If you remember, it wasn't even in an auditorium. It was in the same room where instruments were displayed.)
Yes, that whole conference was quite an event, and those guys were all so personable and willing to share their "secrets". You and I crossed paths twice without meeting, the second time being in 1980 at the conference in Denton, TX. In fact, I believe we were sitting pretty close to each other in the photo. I am on the far right end of the last seated row, next to a couple of my Jr. High tuba students that I brought with me, along a little York 3/4 BBb that I brought to play in that mass ensemble. I have forgotten where you said you were seated, but it was close by. Maybe before I'm too old, we can meet in person sometime. Those were awesome years and great people to know. I often say I wish I had realized how much fun I was having while I was having it.
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I graduated from Ithaca College in 2001 and stayed in town until May of 2002. Dr. Young lived in town and played in local ensembles. In the summer of 2001, I volunteered to play tuba in an ensemble for the Ithaca College summer conducting class. My wife was a student. Sitting next to me in that ensemble.....Dr. Fred Young with his shiny 6 valve tuba. I don't recall talking with him much. I regret that.
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tubatodd wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2026 6:40 am I graduated from Ithaca College in 2001 and stayed in town until May of 2002. Dr. Young lived in town and played in local ensembles. In the summer of 2001, I volunteered to play tuba in an ensemble for the Ithaca College summer conducting class. My wife was a student. Sitting next to me in that ensemble.....Dr. Fred Young with his shiny 6 valve tuba. I don't recall talking with him much. I regret that.
Don't shortchange him, now -- it was a seven-valver! :bow2:
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arpthark wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2026 6:43 am Don't shortchange him, now -- it was a seven-valver! :bow2:
Count them again....



Edit: I see 6 and I don't recall a right or left hand thumb. Hmmm
Edited again: @arpthark appears to be correct! :teeth:
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tubatodd wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2026 6:47 am
arpthark wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2026 6:43 am Don't shortchange him, now -- it was a seven-valver! :bow2:
Count them again....



Edit: I see 6 and I don't recall a right or left hand thumb. Hmmm
Two valves are linked together to make the BBb/EEE switch valve. He talks about it a bit here: http://www.chisham.com/tips/bbs/jan2001 ... 42926.html
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That tuba looked awfully familiar. Turns out Dr. Young played in the Liberty Classic Community Band Festival for some years, and we had no idea who he was! He just went by "Fred". Here are pics of him playing in 2015, and of the section from that year:
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I had the luxury of growing up in an area that Dr young periodically visited. I first met him as a teenager at tubachristmas several years. Then when I was in college my teacher had him come teach a masterclass. Last time I saw him was at a quintet seminar 2002. I was really struggling there for many reasons. He pulled me aside and insisted on giving me several private lessons. He then asked me to be his private student. I graciously declined. I was struggling with school, depression, and just learned that my girlfriend was pregnant. After that seminar my life completely changed direction. I wish I had been able to accept. 2 or 3 years earlier would have been perfect. Dr Young was an extraordinarily kind person. And his knowledge, particularly scientific in relation to sound, was amazing. Rather than being snooty or uppity about things, he would listen to you. He would guide you in a direction and explain how and why. I really wish my circumstances at the time would have been different. But that's life. It just does what it does. Thanks for listening to my experience with Dr young.
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Who now has that King tuba?
I hope it's not collecting dust in North Carolina.
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bloke wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:41 pm Who now has that King tuba?
I hope it's not collecting dust in North Carolina.
It would be a nice place for it....
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bloke wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:41 pm Who now has that King tuba?
I hope it's not collecting dust in North Carolina.
All of the times I saw him, he was accompanied by a younger man. I was told that was his son. Sometimes he was also playing tuba, sometimes just assisting. He always kept a low profile. Never conversed with anyone. I would guess that he has dr Youngs tuba.
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Yeah, what you said is actually true for when I met him the one and only time in 1974 before that pit tuba had been altered, there was someone with him who was younger that had a gigantic Czechoslovakian B flat tuba.
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Are there any close up, high resolution photos of Dr. Young's King-Gronitz double tuba? It is hard for me to make out that it has 7 valves.

That double tuba is really an elongated 4/4 double contrabass tuba with apparently 7 valves. But otherwise it isn't a particularly large tuba -- outer bows and bell are of a modest 4/4 size. What is the valveset bore on this tuba? It's mostly just tall, and has 7 valves and is a true double tuba. And this tuba reportedly weighs 80 pounds, which is ridiculously heavy. That even makes those massive Conn and King 'Jumbo' BBb sousaphones lightweight in comparison❕️

Fred Young was an interesting guy with interesting ideas about tubas and mouthpieces. I'm actually surprised that with his rather small stature that he was willing to heft around an extremely heavy, cumbersome tuba - even with the help of his son. That double tuba - while interesting - isn't at all practical. I just don't see anyone else willing to play such a tuba.

There are other/easier ways to deal with intonation, even if most tubas aren't as inherently "in tune" as his double tuba. Fred mentioned fundamental, or lack of it in tuba sound, especially in the lower register. He had a point. But I bet there are other 'regular' tubas out there that have more fundamental (bass) in the sound than his King-Gronitz double tuba. Most any old Elkhart-made BBb tuba of at least a 4/4 size come to mind. And there are others.🔷️
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I actually can't find any source that he passed away besides this TubaForum post. Methinks it's AI gone haywire. Can anybody find any sources? He's on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/frederick.young.73

Some of you all are friends with him there, apparently, and might see if he's posted anything lately.

This in particular sounds like AI hallucinating:
A traditional newspaper obituary for Dr. Frederick J. Young was not widely circulated or digitally preserved at the time of his passing in March 2021. This is relatively common for retired academics who maintained a private family life in their later years.
He'd be 95, but it's not unreasonable to think he might still be alive.
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61 mutual friends... I can't see anything but one post from 13 years ago. Has he made any posts lately?
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